Morality(?) in Vedas.

November 23, 2006 at 3:25 pm | Posted in लेख, Great Writings | 6 Comments

If you think vedas as the base of your religion,take the evidence of the morality(?) in your Vaidik Dharma. Following is the translation of the original text in Rigveda taken from ‘Riddles In Hinduism’ by Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar:-

 

As to morality there is hardly any discussion about it in the Rig-Veda. Nor does the Rig-Veda contain elevating examples of moral life. Three illustrations of cases on the other side may well be given:

First is the conversation between Yama and Yami who were brother

and sister.

“(Yami speaks). I invite my friend to friendship, having come over the vast and desert ocean may Vedhas, after reflecting, place in the earth the offspring (of thee) the father, endowed with excellent qualities.”

“(Yama speaks). Thy friend desires not this friendship, for although of one origin, she is of a different form; the hero sons of the great Asura (are) the upholders of heaven, enjoying vast renown.”

“(Yami speaks). The immortals take pleasure in (a union) like this which is forbidden to every mortal; let thy mind then concur with mine, and as the progenitor (of all) was the husband (of his daughter), do thou enjoy my person”

“(Yama speaks). We have not done what was done formerly; for how can we who speak truth, utter now that which is untrue? Gandharva (the sun) was in the watery (firmament), and the water was his bride. She is our common parent, hence our near affinity.”

“(Yami speaks). The divine omniform generator Twashtri, the progenitor, made us two husband and wife, even in the womb; none frustrate his undertaking; earth and heaven are conscious of this our (union).”

“(Yama speaks). Who knows anything of this (his) first day (of existence)? Who has beheld it? Who has here revealed it? The dwelling of Mitra and of Varuna is vast. What sayest thou, who punishest men with hell?”

“(Yami speaks). The desire of Yama hath approached me Yami, to lie with him in the same bed; I will abandon my person as a wife to her husband; let us exert ourselves in union like the two wheels of a wagon.”

“(Yama speaks). The spies of the Gods, which wander upon earth, never stop, never close their eyes. Associate quickly, destructress with some other than with me, and exert yourselves in union, like the two wheels of a wagon.”

“(Yami speaks). To him (Yama) let every whorshipper sacrifice both day and night, on him let the eye of the Sun repeatedly rise; (for him may) the kindred pair (day and night unite) with heaven and earth. Yami will adhere to the non-affinity of Yama.”

“(Yama speaks). The subsequent ages will come, when sisters will choose one who is not a brother (as a husband); therefore, auspicious one, choose another husband than me, and make thine arm a pillow for thy mate.”

“(Yami speaks). Is he a brother whose sister has no lord? Is she a sister (whose brother) misfortune approaches? Overcome by desire, I strongly urge this one request; unite thy person with mine.”

“(Yama speaks). I will not unite my person with thine; they call him who approaches a sister, a sinner. Enjoy pleasure with some other than me; thy brother, auspicious one, has no such desire.”

” (Yami speaks). Alas, Yama, thou art feeble; we understand not thy mind or thy heart. Some other female exbrances thee as a girth a horse, or as a creeper a tree.”

“(Yama speaks). Do thou, Yami, embrace another; and let another embrace thee as a creeper a tree; seek his affection, let him seek thine; and make a happy union.”

“May Agni, the destroyer of the Rakshasas consenting to our prayer, drive hence (the evil spirit) who (in the form of) sickness assails thine embryo, who, as the disease durnaman, assails thy womb.”

“May Agni concurring in our prayer, destroy the cannibal who, as sickness, assails thine embryo, who, as the disease durnaman, assails thy womb.”

” May we exterminate from hence (the evil spirit) who destroys the impregnating energy, the germ as it settles, the moving embryo, who seeks to destroy (the babe) when born.”

” May we exterminate from hence (the evil spirit), who separates thy thighs, who lies between husband and wife, who entering thy womb, devours (the seeds). May we exterminate from hence (the evil spirit), who in the form of brother, husband, or paramour, approaches thee, and seeks to destroy thy offspring.”

” May we exterminate from hence (the evil spirit) who, having beguiled thee by sleep or darkness, approaches thee, and seeks to destroy thy offspring.”

 

 

I may state that I have deliberately omitted a good many obscene passages to be found in the Rig-Veda and Yajur-Veda. Those who have any curiosity in the matter might look up the conversation between Surya and Pushan in Rig-Veda Mandal X. 85.37 and between Indra and Indrani in Rig-Veda. Mandal X. 86.6. A further obscenity will also be found in the Ashvamedha Section of the Yajur-Veda.

Leaving these obscenities aside and confining oneself to the prayer portion of the Rig-Veda can any one say that these are morally or spiritually elevating prayers?

As to philosophy there is nothing of it in the Rig-Veda. As Prof. Wilson observes there is in the Rig-Veda, which is the stock Veda, scarcely any indication or doctrinal or philosophical speculation, no allusion to the later notions of the several schools, nor is there any hint of metempsychosis, or of the doctrine intimately allied to it, of the repeated renovation of the world. The Vedas may be useful as a source of information regarding the social life of the Aryans. As a picture of primitive life it is full of curiosity but there is nothing elevating. There are more vices and a few virtues.

 

Advertisements

6 Comments »

RSS feed for comments on this post. TrackBack URI

  1. This is an interesting article. It caught my attention because I am reading a book on a similar topic. It is very typical that the followers of any sect have a very little knowledge of what that philosophy really means. (Possible exception of jews who are encouraged to have a debate on the religion). Our culture being one of the oldest, there are so many different scriptures available that you could probably pick one that fits you most. Likewise, the critics like you will find enough things to be critical of. When a Hindu says, “I am proud of my great culture”, most likely he/she isn’t even aware of what exactly he/she is proud of!!
    People in Rig-Veda time led a different lifestyle and therefore had a different set of values.
    During the time of Rig-ved, Aryans were primarily shephards and hunters. Every body was equal, every body had to contribute to the group. They worshipped labour. Any one who could make a chariot was almost like a god. The concept of what we call as family today, didn’t existing. They had yet to reach the plains of ganges where they would start farming and settle down, get married etc.
    Regarding reference to obscenity, don’t forget that our set of morals today are deeply affected by Islam. Hindus did not have the idea of covering up a woman. Display of a man-woman relationship was not a taboo and is amply displyed in public arts as well. In many ways they were more pragmatic and appriciated things things that are so natural.
    Also, when the caste system was established, there were many many attemptes to challenge it but ironically, those attempts were foiled and the system took worst turns towards untouchability.

    While should always look critically at our history and challenge our believes it would not be fair to those people if we look at them thru the glass of current values.
    By the same token 2000 years down the line, when humanity would have gotten rid of barriers such as caste, enthicity etc, how do you think they would judge our blogs as?

    Good work.
    Keep writing


    Sangeeta

  2. I am a student of sanskrit. If Ambedkar has translated that from sanskrit to english, I am sorry to say that Ambedkar was poor in sanskrit.

  3. You moron, do you think our ancestors were sexual manics? Idiot, this is all symbolism everywhere so that you fools will just be busy thinking of some obscene acts.

    Do you think our forefathers were sexually starved psychopaths to create temples like ‘Khajuraho’? Those are symbolism saying unless your are worthy of going beyond these, you do not enter the innermost levels of salvation.

    Wish you a happy reading you morons!

  4. 1 like

    Morality(?) in Vedas. | बहुजन हिताय…

  5. At least,,, it proves “after this article”,,, that we were/are in wrong notion that you people are part of our and we always must stand by your,, but after reading this fabricated articles I need to think again and make myself believe that you people deserted from us 1000 year ago ( in the form of other “PANTH of Hindus”) and now we must accept it,,, what you do, we should never support you,,, because you devil people destroying us from within, in the guise of our part,,, but in reality you people are not,,, one thing more it is not written in any of our Vedas,, but whatever our ancestor or forebears had been saying for 1000 years about you,, absolutely they were right about you—-abject (मलिछ) is always abject,, they cannot change…. And we should treat you like that,,,

    although,,, now” there are no sect. or cast are left in Hindus as a lower caste because everyone became the part of your,, that’s mean you people are,,, absolutely,, yaaa,, yaaa,, you can understand what I am saying….. after your proved behavior and this article,,,,

    And for those who say himself Hindu,,, I suggest you not to represent yourself as Hindu,, represent as a “Vasnavi” and try to say “ I am Vasnavi”,,,

    जिनको अपना मान कोई नहीं,, वो क्या मान सम्मान की बाते करते हैं,,, और तुम्हारे बारे मई ये जो क्रिस्चियन और मुस्लिम बोलते बिलकुल सही बोलते हैं

  6. […] 23, 2006 at 3:25 pm | Posted in लेख, Great Writings | 5 Comments If you think vedas as the base of your religion,take the evidence of the morality(?) in your Vaidik […]


Leave a Reply

Please log in using one of these methods to post your comment:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

Blog at WordPress.com.
Entries and comments feeds.

%d bloggers like this: